What does ⍋⍋ even mean? (2023)

(blog.wilsonb.com)

43 points | by tosh 7 days ago

4 comments

  • magicalhippo
    3 days ago
    I see weird symbols like that I think APL. I haven't touched APL but I know weird symbols when I see it.

    And checking the article... Tags: apl

  • cocodill
    3 days ago
    Aren't those the Twin Pines from Back to the Future?
    • stirfish
      3 days ago
      Did you mean the Lone Pine?
      • cheschire
        3 days ago
        You space bastard! You killed my pine!
    • arto
      3 days ago
      My very first thought as well.
  • Qem
    3 days ago
    Appears like the twin pines cooperativism symbol.
  • semiquaver
    3 days ago
    What does [APL] even mean?
    • dbt00
      3 days ago
      an obscure but very powerful matrix-centered programming language usually considered to be "write only", as in impossible to read what someone else wrote.
      • kcroarkin
        3 days ago
        Find the "write only" comments you commonly see online to be untrue. I have been writing a voxel game in majority APL code for the past 6 months. I have been able to read my own code and refactor stuff I've written months ago fine while also integrating code from other APL codebases and suggestions from other people. It just has a higher learning curve to understand.
      • bossyTeacher
        3 days ago
        > as in impossible to read what someone else wrote.

        Can you even read what you wrote several years ago?

        • dylan604
          3 days ago
          Wait, isn't that what they say about perl?
          • philipov
            3 days ago
            Yes, perl is considered write-only because it is a mess of features that allow unhygienic programming habits to flourish - it is full of hard-to-trace magical behavior. Completely different than APL, which has had perl's write-only label applied to it by programmers not used to reading terse mathematical notation.
          • happymellon
            3 days ago
            They say the same about RegEx too.
        • gerdesj
          3 days ago
          40 years ago (at school) I generally wrote in ink - edged and straight nibs, blue and black ink because I liked it. I learned several formal styles as well as my idiosyncratic efforts. I did have biros and fibre tips etc available. I had loads of choice. My parent's generation was probably the last of the ink and nib first users.
      • groby_b
        3 days ago
        Very much not.

        Its origin is as a mathematical notation for algorithms. It was used to publish research reports and (IIRC) a book or two.

        You're confusing "possible to read" with "accessible to people unwilling to invest any effort understanding"

      • jonahx
        3 days ago
        > usually considered to be "write only"

        Only by the ignorant and uninitiated.

        • mikelitoris
          3 days ago
          I’m sure you’re fun to work with
          • jonahx
            3 days ago
            I am!
          • voidfunc
            3 days ago
            Im sure _you're_ fun to work with. Get a sense of humor.
    • zem
      3 days ago
      "a programming language".
      • philipov
        3 days ago
        Not to be confused with b programming language, which is not its succesor, but is the predecessor to c.